I suspect you may be right that someone has made a mistake and is stringing you a line of BS to try to cover it up. As his mother I took care of his arrangements and the funeral home applied for CPP. That is why the bank won't help you. I am the sole executrix named in his will. Hi Lynne, my deceased father's will dated 2015 names my Mother as a sole beneficiary of his entire estate, however does not list every single account he had. There is another 400,000.00 in GIC's and a house in my father's name. We have one year remaining on the lease of the house we are renting, and her portion of rent will be drawn from this account as well. These taxes are applied before the estate is distributed. You need to complete a simple form with a confusing title: IRS Form SS-4, Application for Employer Identification Number. The bank has frozen any access to these accounts until a declaration form is received at the branch for me too sign. Asked by: Ozella Braun | Last update: February 9, 2022. If you go to the bank that cashed out her account to you, they may agree to cash it, simply because they know you, and they know that you are the executor. Do I just issue cheques from the estate account and the cancelled cheque is proof? Doing otherwise is theft or fraud.Lynne. Unlimited debit transactions 3, Interac e-Transfer transactions, and Scotia International Money Transfers . The bank was very helpful ,CIBC, in not having me set up an estate account (funds in account under $3000) as I had a joint account due to his dementia where his money went in and his bills came out of. I have not received anything in writing other than a few emails. When a person dies, most or all of their property is held by their estate, and the executor of the estate must manage the estate through the probate process. I was told by my mother's doctor, at the time, that she may have as little as 4 weeks to live (but she lived just over 3 years, so it was a hardship, as it was over $100,000 in total) but in less than 2 weeks the money was gone, before the doctor even talked to me. Upon her death, the money would avoid probate and be distributed. must i wait for court probate? is, however I am just doing it myself to save money as everything was straight forward and I am paying all bills as they come in. So with Mom's money and the estate cheque it would be around $5,000. As far as the bank is concerned, your father's account is still HIS account and not an estate account until the probate has come through. Death benefits are administered by the federal government. Otherwise, this could end up being worked out with lawyers for the bank, which in my experience is like hitting your head repeatedly on a brick wall.Lynne. Again, absolutely unacceptable.The situation needs to be cleaned up, and the quicker the better. You must pay all debts (and it sounds as if you have done so) and taxes, then whatever is left must be divided among the beneficiaries.Lynne. This is because a grant of probate is an order of the court that indemnifies everyone who follows it. My question is this cheque can ONLY be deposited into the estate account( we still have one set up) and not a personal account correct?Thank you so much. I happen to be a beneficery, as well as my 3 kids. Do I need to open up an estate account to transfer the money to myself. That costs nothing. That's very heavy-handed of them! My mother died a few months later, after which my brother claimed he had no money. Can she claim the whole monthly amount for the past two years on our moms estate who recently passed with severe dementia? And I don't feel that I should be opening an account for this in my personal name. Financial institution (Questrade) refuses to do so and claims this is against the law (True?). Can the estate lend money to the executor who pays interest on it to the estate at the same rate the money is now receiving in a GIC? I went to deposit them and was told by CIBC that they drained the account and closed it 5 months after death? Hi,I'd like to know if it is absolutely required for an estate account to be made.My grandmother passed away and there are only two beneficiaries, my mother and I. Therefore she can open the account, receive funds on behalf of the estate, pay bills etc all before she gets the probate.Lynne. What is the harm of just dividing the money between the two of us and paying the last few estate bills from our own accounts? I've heard and seen horror stories from every bank and credit union.Note that I'm not talking about the trust company part of the banks. Is it legal for my mother to deposit that cheque into that joint account.? Lynne. You are the executor and you need to get control of this situation. HiMy mom past away.There was no will and no court ordered executor.I payed for the funeral as her son because someone had too.I do not want to be executor as my mother had nothing so its not worth the trouble.I will let the government deal with my moms affairs..My question is the funeral home gave me a form to apply for cpp death benifit and said to me that it will help cover costs of the funeral.I payed in full 7000 for funeral and received a cheque from government for 2000 but its not in my name its in the name of my mothers estate.How do i get the cheque put in my name as there is no will or executor..Or do I just throw cheque out and suck up the the 7000 funeral bill.Any help would be appreciated.ThanksRon, The government isn't going to deal with your mom's affairs. The information contained in this report references market data from MLS boards across Canada. I opened an estate bank account in BC where I live. The only joint wills I've ever heard of are the kind where there is only one document shared between two people, and those haven't been done for about 50 years in most of Canada. Again, square peg. Other terms for estate representative include estate trustee, executor, liquidator and administrator. how long does that usually take? To me, this is more of a bank policy question than a legal question. You can close it if you want to.You haven't said who the beneficiaries of the estate are. Is there anyway around this? I will ask the bank. To open any bank or investment account, you'll need a taxpayer ID number for the estate, which is itself a taxpayer. What's the real deal here? Have you taken the estate paperwork to the bank with the cheque? The duty of the executors is to maximize the estate as best they can. One bank in which the deceased has an account and who also know my mom from frequently coming to the bank as she was not an online banker are paying the bills as the moment for the house. Thank you for your answer! Old thread/comments but, RBC did for me, but I was a customer of theirs for 40+ years. I don't know who works at the legal departments for banks, but they seem to know absolutely squat about estate paperwork. This declaration that the bank has mentioned are they getting that from somewhere? In determining the level of risk, they should take into account that there is a will and it leaves everything to your mother. The process would require you to sign an indemnity form. We have an appointment with the bank (RBC) tomorrow to open an estate account in order to deposit this check. You are the one with the liability and the responsibility so tell them to back off and let you do your job. Thanks for your opinions. They did have one joint account. My sister now refuses to sign a bond of indemnity to the bank to have it replaced even though I went as far as convincing the bank to put my name on the bond too, which they don't have to. The will states she was leaving everything (her house, bank accounts and investments ) to my mom and appointing me as executor. I am executor for an estate of someone who lived and died in Alberta. I suspect what they are talking about is that certain beneficiaries, such as spouses, usually have 6 months to make a claim against an estate, so executors usually wait out that time period. Had she appointed someone honest, this wouldn't have happened, but I'm sure she had no reason not to trust him. My father had a joint investment account with my sister with a right of survivorship which held shares and cash which the bank has put into her name to deal with as she sees fit. She had no assets other than a savings account. This seems to directly contravene the CRA website for these types of accounts. Clip: "If you're an executor, however, you can open the [estate] account at any time once you take charge of the estate. It's not what they're used to, I expect, but the law should not require you to get probate.Lynne. She also took forever to sell the property and never keeps us (or me) informed. Can the Courts force her to replace the lost bank draft? Is there a dollar limit for banks? Does the executor have the right to take the funds to any bank? When I do here final tax return for this year, I believe she is only entitled to Ontario tax credits and GST. Also because the will has not been probated and I am not willing to go through the paper work and trouble to do so what are my options for closing this account next year. One is that the two of you work it out between you. If they won't transfer the funds directly, empty the accounts by having the bank prepare drafts written to the estate. She has money due to her from the other UK source, but when I asked for the overseas sort code for her account I was told the deposit wouldn't be accepted because the account is not yet an estate account.Mylawyer tells me TD is even worse to deal with re estates, bottom line is check with a bank about their estate account policies before you have a bureaucratic nightmare on your hands. I informed the branch manager, who did pay her outstanding accounts directly. Thanks for your help. This does seem like a genuine mistake, but certainly a preventable one. The only thing that could be in issue is the validity of the will. If all is well, the probate order will verify the will is valid. My recently deceased mother had create a trust through Wood Gundy for my daughter to help her through university. It has been over 2 weeks now, I have not heard from the branch and I have no access to anything online.My question is why am I being denied any access what would be happening to the accounts that I can't access them and what is taking so long? I am both executor of her "estate", as well as POA and sole beneficiary. If that is the case, what exactly are you expecting CRA to give you? What are the alternatives if a bank will not open an estate bank account without probate? Ask them to pay the bill from his chequing account. I have had a couple cheques come to me for the estate. It is absolutely unworkable for executors.What we do for our clients here is calculate the probate fee and prepare a document that we call an estimate but looks much like an invoice for that amount. I need to set up an estate account for him. Please help. I have been calling the bank, and getting no answer. so, this should be easy opening an estate account is just a formality, since all accounts go to me anyways. Thanks. All of her finances had us listed as 50/50 beneficiaries and have been paid out to us, including her bank account of 24000. The bank has all information needed, and said that it should only take a day or two to have funds transferred. If your mother "had nothing", there should be almost nothing for an executor to do, so acting as executor shouldn't actually be much bother.I find it really frustrating that people will wash their hands of all work and responsibility for their parents except when it comes to getting some money out of it.Lynne. Can Laurentienne refuse to transfer the funds from my decesased uncle's account to BMO? I am executor of the will. All the risk of the account falls on the executor, not on the bank. I am in the process of opening an estate account for these commissions to go into and need to know if the funds will be accessible to me for paying bills & mortgage etc. An executor can never use estate funds for personal spending. She might have received wrong advice from a lawyer or from a banker. Her authority to deal with estate assets comes from the will itself, not the probate. As a result, few executors know, relying on the issued (or not-issued!) In retrospect I should have changed banks and set up an estate account. Do I have to apply to Alberta Surrogate Court to have the will proven as valid before applying for probate? Your husband's estate is separate from him. Their job is to hand over the account once probate has been granted. Where do I even go for help on this? I am the executor to my deceased elder sister's estate. I charge $400 for that.Lynne. You're in charge of the account, not them. And has instructed the last lawyer to not do anything even though he's the one who sent it without tracking by regular mail. Yep. Absolutely unacceptable.You said that "she" sent funds from "her" bank account so I assume that is his wife. Or, if the primary account holder of your joint bank account has recently passed away, we can assist you in determining your entitlement, if any, to the account assets. What if there was a mortgage on the property (there isn't). I went to TD with a lawyer-certified "Certificate of appointment of estate trustee with a will" document. I have set up an estate account.The probate is complete.I have done the taxes.I have just finished filing the Estate Administration Return.I need to pay a lump sum payment to a few beneficiaries. However, that is none of the bank's business. I recently opened an estate account at a bank and they refuse to give me online access. Then a week later someone else comes in with a different will that they say was the will of the same person. When the final payouts are made after the tax clearance certificate is received. I'd suggest sitting in with your banking officer and having a chat. You may be named in a will as someone's estate representative. 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